and the co-chairman alan simpson about before the first presidential debate. >> one of the arguments is, no matter who is elected, they, the table this for six months, whether it's to reelect president obama or newly elected president romney, deal with it in the winter in a substantive way, going so far as to reform the tax code, everything you want. do you think that's what's going to happen? >> i think that could happen, regardless who is president because the markets are going to begin to rattle their chains, it will be like a dungeon, say, look. >> why haven't they rattled? >> they're waiting for this to pass. >> anything could happen. >> they look at america as some the stupidest people on earth if they're going to let go over the cliff when you have a mindless sequester of 600 billion on defense, 600 billion with an ax, they're going to say you're dysfunctional and we want more money for our money and inflation kicks up and the guy that gets hurt the worse, the little guy that everybody talks about day and night. >> a funny thing happened on the way to the debate. neither candi